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Virgil Travis
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Posted - 2012.08.29 00:25:00 -
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I'm liking the ideas, NPC corps are part of the reason so much ganking has been going on in high sec, it's the only recourse some people had since the NPC corps can't be war decced. I think the idea of preventing all those mining alts from sitting in NPC corps has some merit, if they want to affect the economy they should have to deal with the possibility of others affecting their livelihood.
That would sure shake things up. 
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Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
Unified Church of the Unobligated
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Posted - 2012.08.29 00:41:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:Virgil Travis wrote:I'm liking the ideas, NPC corps are part of the reason so much ganking has been going on in high sec, it's the only recourse some people had since the NPC corps can't be war decced. I think the idea of preventing all those mining alts from sitting in NPC corps has some merit, if they want to affect the economy they should have to deal with the possibility of others affecting their livelihood. That would sure shake things up. That's all it is. And the apathy of a few individuals shows just how often it has come up before. Yet this most glaring flaw has yet been addressed. Only a few symptoms but not the disease. It's not miners, its not gankers, its not the act of living in highsec. It stems from NPC corps. The revamp of the wardeck system is pointless still. Once npc is the proper rookie stepping stone as they always should have been. The new mechanics actually become used.
Besides the odd NPC corp that I've heard has good support for new players, it would help many escape the clutches of the evernoobs that spend their entire careers in those starter corps, never seem to really experience and thus learn the game and end up giving new players some of the worst advice that can be given. I've heard some really bad stories about the help offered in some of those starter corps, I've even had to witness the rubbish spewed in corp chat when moving between corps.
It's horrifying.
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Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
Unified Church of the Unobligated
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Posted - 2012.08.29 10:24:00 -
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TharOkha wrote:So... another thread about how l33t PvPers are angry about NPC corps and miners?. Dude, you can still suicide gank them if you hate them so much. Maybe not with 2m destroyer, but Talos will do that (even well tanked mack - i tested it few days ago).
Im not a miner, but i was always amazed how those "elite hisec PvP warriors" are so angry that they cannot wardec miners. Maybe you should try Lowsec or Nullsec?
So high sec should be free of consequences with no way for a corp to counter the competition of miners sitting in NPC corps stripping belts all day? Why shouldn't they be allowed to have other options besides ganking them, that's what the war dec system was intended for, one corp sets up in an area and finds there are others competing for those same resources so it takes action by possibly declaring war and driving those others out.
Except with the shield the NPC corps offer that mechanism is bypassed and made unusable by those who have actually taken the step into a player corp. It's not all about your concept of 'l33t pvpers' looking for easy prey. That same rubbish gets spouted every time.
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Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
Unified Church of the Unobligated
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Posted - 2012.08.29 14:35:00 -
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Rats wrote:Yawn, again .....
Leave hi sec alone and you cannot force ppl to become targets if they don't want to be..
Tal
Wanna bet
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Virgil Travis
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Posted - 2012.08.29 16:32:00 -
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Rats wrote:Virgil Travis wrote:Rats wrote:Yawn, again .....
Leave hi sec alone and you cannot force ppl to become targets if they don't want to be..
Tal
Wanna bet In the case of forcing ppl out of he sec into lo yes, If your talking about ganking in hi sec, no  Tal
It's player's own choice if they leave high sec or not, no problem with that, but the thing is that any interaction with the market can affect prices of items used outside of high sec and there should be some way for the pvp mechanisms to interact in both directions. If player a can drive up the price of minerals or ships then player b should be able to counter and perhaps destroy the means of gathering the minerals or the ships as they're being delivered to market.
I've never ganked in high sec, I'd much rather deal with combat in low sec, but if I need to deal with competition I'd prefer to have the option to war dec them and send a clear message rather than be confined to just ganking to disrupt operations.
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Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
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Posted - 2012.08.29 18:56:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Christy D Floyd wrote:formulating ideas on how to imporve the game. tbh I'm having a tough time formulating ideas on how to imporve any game, much less EVE. Hate, on the other hand, well, everyone should hate carebears. ******* carebears...
Carebears with teeth I'm fine with, it's the ones with no spine that think they should be left alone, they're the annoying ones.
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Virgil Travis
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Posted - 2012.08.29 20:38:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Karl Hobb wrote:Anslo wrote:A large majority of miners simply STOP mining, stop getting minerals, stop refining, just stop it. And not just for a day or a week, but one month, two months, hell even three. Let the mineral prices soar and see what happens. Stop mining? What about their ISK/hr.? You, sir, are a loon. It'd still be nice to see their culminated seething anger and rage form it's own artificer of an intergalactic sized **** YOU.
Won't happen, we'll just mine the belts you aren't and either keep the minerals or sell them, probably for more than most miners since you're all on 'strike'.
By the way, I'd love to see you get even half of the miners in high sec to abide by any embargo. Good luck with that.
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Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
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Posted - 2012.08.29 22:07:00 -
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Sorlac wrote:Since we are talking about forcing game play styles on others, I say we introduce the reciprocal also. Make it so that mining lasers can target players, and if a miner is able to zap an attacker with their lasers then that attacker becomes the miners slave for 5 days (120 hours) of game time. During that time the slave can only either mine or haul for their new master, and the time only counts down while they are actively working; no sitting afk in a station to work off the debt. Of course all ore mined in that time frame goes to the master. The slave's ship is also turned into an appropriate grade miner or hauling vessel (master's choice of course), with appropriate load-out.
It is only fair that if we are going to force miners to PvP then we should also force PvPers to mine.
Your pvp is already forced on others in the form of mineral and ship prices. Just shows how many of the utterly clueless dwell withint the npc corps. If you'd actually bothered to take any of the discussion in you might have read that.
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Virgil Travis
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Posted - 2012.08.29 22:11:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:Sorlac wrote:Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:Sorlac wrote:It is only fair that if we are going to force miners to PvP then we should also force PvPers to mine. You seem to think being held accountable equals PVP. Even though it only makes you a valid target, should someone want to even bother attacking you. A better strip mine weapon is to force overheat the targets modules so you either A: make them kill you faster. Or B: burn out all their mods out so they cant do jack. How exactly would you "hold someone accountable" in a way that doesn't involve PvP? Also if someone has irked you enough that you feel they should be held "accountable" then you can easily do so while they are still in an NPC corp; as long as your willing to put a little work into your revenge that is. Also my post wasn't about turning mining lasers into weapons, but about forcing PvPers into mining similar to how PvPers want to force miners to PvP (yes I know not all PvPers want soft targets, but then this change would not affect them anyways). Previous NPC corp miners don't have to grab their guns when wardecked. You can avoid them. You can pay them off in some agreement. You have a free ally to bring into war to do the shooting for you. (Plenty would love a free war, though they may not be as helpful as a payed group.) You have more slots for more allies. What else are you going to spend your NPC corp "earned" ore on? Effect my ship prices more?
They don't want options, they want safety and to be 'left alone to enjoy the game my way'
No wonder people gank NPC miners.
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Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
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Posted - 2012.08.30 08:43:00 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:Virgil Travis wrote:Sorlac wrote:Since we are talking about forcing game play styles on others, I say we introduce the reciprocal also. Make it so that mining lasers can target players, and if a miner is able to zap an attacker with their lasers then that attacker becomes the miners slave for 5 days (120 hours) of game time. During that time the slave can only either mine or haul for their new master, and the time only counts down while they are actively working; no sitting afk in a station to work off the debt. Of course all ore mined in that time frame goes to the master. The slave's ship is also turned into an appropriate grade miner or hauling vessel (master's choice of course), with appropriate load-out.
It is only fair that if we are going to force miners to PvP then we should also force PvPers to mine. Your pvp is already forced on others in the form of mineral and ship prices. Just shows how many of the utterly clueless dwell withint the npc corps. If you'd actually bothered to take any of the discussion in you might have read that. So you're mad that your ships prices are cheap? Earlier someone said something about needing to hold miners "accountable" and I can't figure out what they need to be held accountable for. The only thing I can figure is that you're all mad that mineral prices are low so your ships and modules are cheap. Apparently you want your pvp ships to cost more?
Where did you read that in my post, try reading it again because you're wrong.
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Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
Unified Church of the Unobligated
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Posted - 2012.08.30 08:48:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Virgil Travis wrote:
They don't want options, they want safety and to be 'left alone to enjoy the game my way'
Not that it really matters to me personally since I do play the game my way, but I am seeing what I just quoted being parroted by both sides of this stupid argument that is the EVE-O version of the 'Song that Never Ends''. How about less telling others how they should play and more doing what you want within the constraints set out by CCP. Sandbox doesn't mean no rules, it means think for yourself. Mr Epeen 
I can think for myself, and I have been for the past 3+ years since I started playing. I'm not telling others how to play, what I'm referring to are those that refuse to accept that things can happen in the game that aren't nice and fluffy.
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